E86 People Who Know You Well
Federal Career Planning and Evolution
Are you looking to get promoted?
Perhaps a modify in your federal career?
Need tips on resume writing to land a federal task?
Or how to increment your salary or get a pay raise?
Bring together this active discussion with others climbing the same challenging career ladder.
Consider ordering some helpful resources or read today's top news stories on federal employee pay, benefits, retirement, task rights and other workplace issues by visiting FederalDaily.com.
| Ryan Glander | #1 Posted : Th, September 24, 2009 12:09:24 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Rookie Groups: Registered | Hi, I'm a sophmore in college and want to go a federal internship (which leads to a direct rent job) that will require me to fill out a class which asks for "three people who know you well", they said information technology should include peers, good friends, roomates ect. This sounds pretty pitiful but I don't really have whatever current friends. I oasis't actually gone out socially in a long-fourth dimension. I accept been depressed, my dad died a few months ago and he had a encephalon illness for near 2-iii years and I helped take intendance of him (I however have many nightmares and don't slumber as well equally I used to). But I'm a very solid individual, similar I don't accept annihilation that would disqualify me for this high risk / public trust job. But I'm nonetheless kinda depressed and I feel like my personality has changed. I don't know who to list in the "people who know you well" section. I mean I know just a few people kinda well, (my mom, some of her friends, and well theres a lot of other people I know but not well, just on a superficial 'how you doin' level.) How do people whom are solid and qualified get a civil service task if they are socially isolated? I mean I could ask some people to put on the reference page, but clearly information technology wants people whom are my age, and I have no one (for my historic period grouping). And I would be embarassed to ask my mom'due south friends when information technology clearly says "peers"... School right at present is all I got, and getting a job in this internship this SCEP may aid me feel a chip better. Only what csn I do? Anyone else who has been in a similair circumstance? Has anyone here listed individuals in that section that ARE family, or whom AREN'T peers? Basically, should I only not even endeavor if I haven't any friends? Because Even if I suddenly experience ameliorate I need to list the dates I knew the people and information technology may look bad if they are all contempo friends. (it says for peers for possibly the by 7 years). And I don't empathize in 1 statement they take in the grade seems to be a fragment "They should exist good friends, peers, colleagues, ect... whose combined associaton with you covers, as well the past 7 years". What do they hateful past combined clan. Thanks | ||
 | |||
| wannadointel | #2 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:29:59 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Groupie Groups: Registered | Sorry to hear about your situation. That sounds pretty rough. I would see if there is someone you could contact to ask your question. If you can't and in that location genuinely isn't anyone to put down, at that place should be a section to list an explanation of why something like references might be omitted. | ||
| | |||
| fyi | #3 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:24:04 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | I did not have close friends to list on my application. So, I just listed my parent's friends. No problem. And I got the job. Good Luck! | ||
| | |||
| swiszyns | #iv Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:57:xx PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | it's more important that the people take known you well over the by seven years, than that they are close in historic period "peers". I listed close family friends (read parent's friends) and got the job. | ||
| | |||
| ChillinOut | #5 Posted : Th, September 24, 2009 7:47:17 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s) | Ryan, If you went down to the YMCA this calendar week-end & volunteered to help out at the front desk or wherever they needed an extra person, you would automatically become acquainted with at least three adults. All of my experiences at the Y have been positive ones. I think you would enjoy this type of community service & information technology would be a transition to becoming more socially agile. | ||
| | |||
| Ryan Glander | #vi Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:thirteen:33 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Rookie Groups: Registered | "it's more important that the people take known yous well over the past 7 years, than that they are close in age "peers". I listed close family friends (read parent's friends) and got the chore. " Oh thank God. And to the other posters also, thanks. When they say well though, how well do they hateful well, how well do they mean? I merely a piffling better, less pressured now. But I remember because my reasons or problems that cause me not to be social are "deeply rooted" and non just a seasonal depression (though no one knows I'm depressed, like I am able to make information technology look like I'm happy). Would seeing a psychologist or counsellor hurt my chances when they do a groundwork check? And I have been at the Y to go pond (gratuitous pass from schoolhouse) I remember I may get a part-fourth dimension job their through a work-written report programme, I similar the proffer the one user had, it seems so simple yet I call back it will take me a long way in terms of feeling ameliorate. Thanks again | ||
| | |||
| Fonz | #vii Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:13:48 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered | Mostly they are looking to see if you are a dependable person, a teerrorist or a criminal. Teachers are good references or college advisors. If y'all do part fourth dimension piece of work at school your bosses could vouch for that. Or if yous nourish church building, the pastor could also (or your parents pastor). Church building is also a social place to network with folks. Or your grocery clerk. Banking concern teller. Anyway,skillful luck with that list and your new social circle. Facebook friends? | ||
| | |||
| Tuff Murphy | #8 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 x:31:22 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: two time(s) in 2 post(s) | Ryan11, for the Public Trust clearances (High, Medium, and Low) they are going to mail a questionaire postcard to your personal references. List your mom's friends and whoever else knows your name. There is no personal interview and there is no way to know if the subject reference is xix yrs old or 90. Don't sweat this section at all - trust me - it'south pretty much an automated process (hence the bubble answer sail). I agree with you on the 7 years combined argument. Information technology is ambiguous. I've already received clarification on this question. They want the iii references to bridge 7 years. In theory, the first could have known yous from year 1 to 3, the second from year 4 to five, etc. Practiced luck. | ||
| | |||
| Tuff Murphy | #9 Posted : Th, September 24, 2009 11:33:52 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(due south) | "Would seeing a psychologist or counsellor hurt my chances when they practise a background check?" No it would not. Google for the security application form .pdf "SF86". Read the section concerning mental wellness. You will see that grief counseling is OK. It's OK to become help. The first step can exist the toughest. | ||
| | |||
| Ryan Glander | #ten Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 1:45:36 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Rookie Groups: Registered | "it's pretty much an automated process (hence the bubble answer sheet)." They make you list the telephone numbers of the references. Don't they call them? I really appreciate the help, this forum is bang-up! Now how could I increase my chances of getting into the SCEP program? Do grades matter alot (other and so to disqualify those who exercise non run into the standard)? | ||
| | |||
| Tuff Murphy | #xi Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 ane:54:09 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 2 time(s) in two post(southward) | If the postcard makes it round trip (there and dorsum), there would be not telephone call to the reference. Make sure yous enter consummate and authentic contact data (name, address, telephone number, etc.) for your personal, work, and school references. This effect of personal references is not going to affect your chances of getting in - trust me. Give them the best three personal references y'all have and permit it fly. | ||
| | |||
| ChillinOut | #12 Posted : Fri, September 25, 2009 one:57:xxx AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 1 time(south) in 1 postal service(south) | The best way to get lots of responses from this board is to mail service your question in the title. To become information on your SCEP question, you might consider posting that as a new question. If you are willing to post your college major and the proper noun of the metropolitan area you alive in, you would get feedback that is more useful. The federal government has a plan to help its employees subsidize the cost of commuting on public transportation. If SCEP employees are eligible for this, it could be a big help in reducing the price of your commute. | ||
| | |||
| Ryan Glander | #13 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 2:05:51 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Rookie Groups: Registered | I merely noticed the class you listed the SF86 is different then the one I idea I had to fill out. This form is different in that it asks for brothers/sisters in addition to parents. I no longer talk to my sister (long-story). Basically she was away at higher when I took care of my dad, and she was really cruel to me / didn't help when she came home and gave me a really hard time, and also continued to the terminal day I spoke to her to tell me theres nothing I could do almost (dad'south death) and so I shouldn't be sad. She never actually cried, and had a straight psychopathic stare the whole funeral service, no emotions. Anyway in loftier school she made upward rumors about me, and is really "out-to-become-me". I never did anything bad or dishonest, but she may exagerate previous things, or even prevarication. Do they contact my siblings? If so what questions do they ask, and should I tell the IR special agent that I no longer talk to my sibling for the reasons mentioned above? | ||
| | |||
| Ryan Glander | #fourteen Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 2:07:53 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Rookie Groups: Registered | Also I should add I'm still really hurt past the things my sister has said and washed to me. But she doesn't care. | ||
| | |||
| Tuff Potato | #15 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 2:24:49 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Fellow member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 2 time(s) in ii postal service(south) | it's SF85 or SF85P SF86 is TOP SECRET or Underground | ||
| | |||
| Ryan Glander | #sixteen Posted : Fri, September 25, 2009 2:37:20 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Rookie Groups: Registered | Oh, and then would a high take chances / public trust position use the SF85 or the SF86 course? If information technology is the SF85 form I suppose they won't want to talk to my siblings since they don't seem to want them listed? | ||
| | |||
| gbupdated | #17 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 2:43:03 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Groupie Groups: Registered | Ryan, I wouldn't worry likewise much about the sis. I had a like state of affairs and took advantage of the opportunity to talk to an investigator when he came to run into me nigh a colleague. In my situation, I constitute out there were a bunch of stoners from my high school who were going around telling my higher buddies that I was the biggest dopehead in the schoolhouse. (C'mon, I was captain of the chess team!) So I was a little worried about how this would bear upon my SSBI. Anyhow, the response I got from the investigator is that when they get a 'hit' from an interview subject, they consider motives for negative remarks. My investigator said they frequently run across people who are jealous that a old friend/colleague/classmate is now successful and upward for a high level clearance, and it may affect what they say. And oft, when they cross check, the negative remarks won't fit the whole picture they go from talking to other people. My recommendation is that when y'all have your in-person interview with the investigator, y'all explicate the situation with your sister. At least it won't be a surprise, and will give them a heads-upward to look more thoroughly at your "whole picture" and put your sister in context. | ||
| | |||
| Ryan Glander | #18 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 2:47:33 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Rookie Groups: Registered | But which class will I fill out? Considering if its the SF85 information technology doesn't ask yous to list siblings, unlike the SF86. And I don't know if they volition exist able to establish motive. I mean my sisters acts are more often than not cold-blooded... I myself don't understand her! Thats why I severed all communications with her. | ||
| | |||
| 1102CO | #xix Posted : Fri, September 25, 2009 two:56:52 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Groupie Groups: Registered Was thanked: i time(s) in i post(s) | You will fill out the form that 60 minutes tells you lot to. | ||
| | |||
| sakijo | #20 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 3:38:29 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s) | You could also list neighbors as references. People who knew/know you from childhood - your parents neighbors. They brand good references unless you were the terror of the block. As for your sister, that'southward also bad. Maybe you lot could list her proper name and "whereabouts unknown - have had no contact for 3 years" Really, though if it comes downward to BI, the investigator volition probably requite more than weight toyour story than hers. Skillful luck. | ||
| | |||
| Users browsing this topic | ||
| Invitee |
Forum Bound
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
Y'all cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
Source: https://forum.federalsoup.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9791
Post a Comment for "E86 People Who Know You Well"